Comments on: David Bazan and Loss of Faith http://talkingdonkey.wordpress.com/2008/08/09/david-bazan-and-loss-of-faith/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:40:29 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Caleb http://talkingdonkey.wordpress.com/2008/08/09/david-bazan-and-loss-of-faith/#comment-6917 Caleb Mon, 23 Nov 2009 05:05:22 +0000 http://talkingdonkey.wordpress.com/?p=1370#comment-6917 Wow, there are sure some people who are hateful, over-analytical, and judgmental of Timotheos. Seems like you're doing the same thing to him that you accuse him of doing to Mr. Bazan. How interesting that calling for prayer for somebody struggling with their faith could be so attacked by pious, upstanding Christ-followers and Spiritual people. God be with you Timotheos. Keep up the excellent blog. Wow, there are sure some people who are hateful, over-analytical, and judgmental of Timotheos. Seems like you’re doing the same thing to him that you accuse him of doing to Mr. Bazan. How interesting that calling for prayer for somebody struggling with their faith could be so attacked by pious, upstanding Christ-followers and Spiritual people.

God be with you Timotheos. Keep up the excellent blog.

]]> By: . http://talkingdonkey.wordpress.com/2008/08/09/david-bazan-and-loss-of-faith/#comment-6916 . Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:54:50 +0000 http://talkingdonkey.wordpress.com/?p=1370#comment-6916 like this. like this.

]]> By: zea http://talkingdonkey.wordpress.com/2008/08/09/david-bazan-and-loss-of-faith/#comment-6909 zea Fri, 02 Oct 2009 02:07:59 +0000 http://talkingdonkey.wordpress.com/?p=1370#comment-6909 hey, david might be "struggling" to believe in God and even say he doesn't believe anymore.... but i know one thing: God hasn't stopped believing in him or loving him - He sees the heart and deep in there the "hook of His love" is still at work.... hey, david might be “struggling” to believe in God and even say he doesn’t believe anymore….

but i know one thing: God hasn’t stopped believing in him or loving him – He sees the heart and deep in there the “hook of His love” is still at work….

]]> By: Timotheos http://talkingdonkey.wordpress.com/2008/08/09/david-bazan-and-loss-of-faith/#comment-6903 Timotheos Sun, 13 Sep 2009 01:13:28 +0000 http://talkingdonkey.wordpress.com/?p=1370#comment-6903 I don't know what you're reading, but it's not this blog. I never even hinted at anything about the nature of Bazan's Christianity. "You could be right. but yours is just one of thousands of supernaturalist worlviews man has come up with over time and so far they have all proven false. The naturalist worldview passes tests. No supernatrual explanation has ever, ever replaced a natural one but thousasnds of natural explanations have replaced supernatural ones." You have a strange view of "natural/supernatural" that does not even remotely resemble the Christian view. So if you want to dismantle that dichotomy, go ahead. But it's not Christianity. As for the rest of your spewage, you might actually want to find out what Christians really believe, before you stake your opinion of them and the God they worship on caricatures and <em>non sequiturs</em>. Tim I don’t know what you’re reading, but it’s not this blog. I never even hinted at anything about the nature of Bazan’s Christianity.

“You could be right. but yours is just one of thousands of supernaturalist worlviews man has come up with over time and so far they have all proven false. The naturalist worldview passes tests. No supernatrual explanation has ever, ever replaced a natural one but thousasnds of natural explanations have replaced supernatural ones.”

You have a strange view of “natural/supernatural” that does not even remotely resemble the Christian view. So if you want to dismantle that dichotomy, go ahead. But it’s not Christianity.

As for the rest of your spewage, you might actually want to find out what Christians really believe, before you stake your opinion of them and the God they worship on caricatures and non sequiturs.

Tim

]]> By: Lee A. P. http://talkingdonkey.wordpress.com/2008/08/09/david-bazan-and-loss-of-faith/#comment-6902 Lee A. P. Sat, 12 Sep 2009 23:02:06 +0000 http://talkingdonkey.wordpress.com/?p=1370#comment-6902 Well, I acknowledge that I could be wrong but I feel that probability is very, very low. I also could be wrong about the smurfs. Perhaps Gargamel has corrupted all our senses. The Smurfs weren't just a cartoon -- they are real but he is keeping them hidden from us. This is what Christians do when they accept the supernaturalist worldview. Satan is given power to corrupt sensory data. Thats a slippery slope though -- perhaps Yahweh is actually an evil God corrupting our senses. There is no way to really know. You could be right. but yours is just one of thousands of supernaturalist worlviews man has come up with over time and so far they have all proven false. The naturalist worldview passes tests. No supernatrual explanation has ever, ever replaced a natural one but thousasnds of natural explanations have replaced supernatural ones. My favorite portion of the reaction to the whole Bazan thing is "he must not have ever REALLY felt the holy spirit. He must have never bee a REAL Christian". Pshh. Christians can be so pathetically deluded and stupid. If you aren't on their team anymore they'll take a shit on you. They become more Yahweh in their reaction than Jesus. Well -- maybe they become money-changer Jesus. Have fun continuing to believe in really bizaar and hateful things man! I will certainly be sorry when your loving God is torturing me in hellfire for not believing in his ancient book! What a plan that guy has! What a mega cosmic genius he is! Inspire a book full of supernatural content in a certain language(s), in a certain portion of the world when the overwhelming majority of humans are illiterate. Let that thing go through thousands of scribes and translations, show virtually no evidence of the supernatural present in the world for anyone to ever witness but then TORTURE everyone who doesn't believe in what your book says! Brillian! Brilliant that Yahweh, Jesus, Ghost 3-headed God you guys worship is! Your God IS an awesome God! And FUCK David Bazan for rejecting him! That guy was never a real Christian anyways! Well, I acknowledge that I could be wrong but I feel that probability is very, very low. I also could be wrong about the smurfs.

Perhaps Gargamel has corrupted all our senses. The Smurfs weren’t just a cartoon — they are real but he is keeping them hidden from us. This is what Christians do when they accept the supernaturalist worldview. Satan is given power to corrupt sensory data. Thats a slippery slope though — perhaps Yahweh is actually an evil God corrupting our senses. There is no way to really know.

You could be right. but yours is just one of thousands of supernaturalist worlviews man has come up with over time and so far they have all proven false. The naturalist worldview passes tests. No supernatrual explanation has ever, ever replaced a natural one but thousasnds of natural explanations have replaced supernatural ones.

My favorite portion of the reaction to the whole Bazan thing is “he must not have ever REALLY felt the holy spirit. He must have never bee a REAL Christian”. Pshh. Christians can be so pathetically deluded and stupid. If you aren’t on their team anymore they’ll take a shit on you. They become more Yahweh in their reaction than Jesus. Well — maybe they become money-changer Jesus.

Have fun continuing to believe in really bizaar and hateful things man! I will certainly be sorry when your loving God is torturing me in hellfire for not believing in his ancient book! What a plan that guy has! What a mega cosmic genius he is! Inspire a book full of supernatural content in a certain language(s), in a certain portion of the world when the overwhelming majority of humans are illiterate. Let that thing go through thousands of scribes and translations, show virtually no evidence of the supernatural present in the world for anyone to ever witness but then TORTURE everyone who doesn’t believe in what your book says! Brillian! Brilliant that Yahweh, Jesus, Ghost 3-headed God you guys worship is! Your God IS an awesome God!

And FUCK David Bazan for rejecting him! That guy was never a real Christian anyways!

]]> By: Timotheos http://talkingdonkey.wordpress.com/2008/08/09/david-bazan-and-loss-of-faith/#comment-6901 Timotheos Sat, 12 Sep 2009 20:24:28 +0000 http://talkingdonkey.wordpress.com/?p=1370#comment-6901 "I’m certain about nothing." "Christianity is not true. There was no talking snake. People cannot rise from the dead. Religion is man made. Jesus is dead." Yeah. No certainty there. “I’m certain about nothing.”

“Christianity is not true. There was no talking snake. People cannot rise from the dead. Religion is man made. Jesus is dead.”

Yeah. No certainty there.

]]> By: Lee A. P. http://talkingdonkey.wordpress.com/2008/08/09/david-bazan-and-loss-of-faith/#comment-6900 Lee A. P. Sat, 12 Sep 2009 19:38:47 +0000 http://talkingdonkey.wordpress.com/?p=1370#comment-6900 Firstly, I think absolute certainty is your guys dogmatic realm, not the "atheists". I'm certain about nothing. And second, Christianity exists and is a fact in the world. The God v. No God conversation is absolutely epic and stimulating. If A billion people believed in smurfs, I'd join that conversation as well and so would you probably. We should all be concerned when others believe false things. George W. was a rabid fundy with his finger on the red button. Our Nation's position regarding Israel is greatly affected due to the influence of an ancient book that contains stories of talking friggin' animals. Policy towards science education is influence by supernaturalists who believe the world is 6-10K years old. Stem cell research has been effected by Christian supernaturalists. There is a real danger here. Thats why we care. Firstly, I think absolute certainty is your guys dogmatic realm, not the “atheists”. I’m certain about nothing. And second, Christianity exists and is a fact in the world. The God v. No God conversation is absolutely epic and stimulating. If A billion people believed in smurfs, I’d join that conversation as well and so would you probably. We should all be concerned when others believe false things. George W. was a rabid fundy with his finger on the red button. Our Nation’s position regarding Israel is greatly affected due to the influence of an ancient book that contains stories of talking friggin’ animals. Policy towards science education is influence by supernaturalists who believe the world is 6-10K years old. Stem cell research has been effected by Christian supernaturalists. There is a real danger here. Thats why we care.

]]> By: Timotheos http://talkingdonkey.wordpress.com/2008/08/09/david-bazan-and-loss-of-faith/#comment-6899 Timotheos Sat, 12 Sep 2009 02:13:52 +0000 http://talkingdonkey.wordpress.com/?p=1370#comment-6899 I think it's cute when atheists spend so much time trying to refute something they are absolutely certain does not exist. No Fundamentalist is as dogmatic as an atheist trying to fight off the specter of God. Tim I think it’s cute when atheists spend so much time trying to refute something they are absolutely certain does not exist. No Fundamentalist is as dogmatic as an atheist trying to fight off the specter of God.

Tim

]]> By: Lee http://talkingdonkey.wordpress.com/2008/08/09/david-bazan-and-loss-of-faith/#comment-6898 Lee Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:33:52 +0000 http://talkingdonkey.wordpress.com/?p=1370#comment-6898 Bazan left the fold because evangelical/fundamentalist Christianity is not true. There was no talking snake. People cannot rise from the dead. Religion is man made. Jesus is dead. Christianity in a fundamentlaist form is a hateful religion. That a magical super being would torture his creations forever because of their opinion about the basis of an ancient book full of very hard to believe things with all the earmarks of myth is one of the most retarded and hateful beliefs that humans hold. Kudos to Bazan for growing up and dropping the outdated supernaturalist worldview. Bazan left the fold because evangelical/fundamentalist Christianity is not true. There was no talking snake. People cannot rise from the dead. Religion is man made. Jesus is dead. Christianity in a fundamentlaist form is a hateful religion.

That a magical super being would torture his creations forever because of their opinion about the basis of an ancient book full of very hard to believe things with all the earmarks of myth is one of the most retarded and hateful beliefs that humans hold.

Kudos to Bazan for growing up and dropping the outdated supernaturalist worldview.

]]> By: stephy http://talkingdonkey.wordpress.com/2008/08/09/david-bazan-and-loss-of-faith/#comment-6882 stephy Sun, 23 Aug 2009 00:34:03 +0000 http://talkingdonkey.wordpress.com/?p=1370#comment-6882 Well said Andy. Well said Andy.

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