Comments on: The Issue http://talkingdonkey.wordpress.com/2007/04/04/the-issue/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:40:29 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: scottadle http://talkingdonkey.wordpress.com/2007/04/04/the-issue/#comment-3737 scottadle Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:32:26 +0000 http://talkingdonkey.wordpress.com/2007/04/04/the-issue/#comment-3737 Tim, I thought this was an excellent post. And I think you could say that faith and hope will pass away at the End, but that love will remain. This is why it gets top billing. We only have faith and hope in things we can't see (or haven't happened yet), but in the End we will see, and love (of God and fellow man) sums up the Law. I think I know what you mean when you say that the Gospel will pass away. Clearly you don't mean that what Christ has done will be erased. On another point though, I don't know how much the new heavens and earth will be like the original. The one we live in now is so twisted and torn that we can't even imagine what the new will be like, but I don't think it's just a resetting to the original. Clearly something has changed--God became man. And this, I think, means that it will be different. I don't know how, but it will be better than the original. Tim, I thought this was an excellent post.

And I think you could say that faith and hope will pass away at the End, but that love will remain. This is why it gets top billing. We only have faith and hope in things we can’t see (or haven’t happened yet), but in the End we will see, and love (of God and fellow man) sums up the Law.

I think I know what you mean when you say that the Gospel will pass away. Clearly you don’t mean that what Christ has done will be erased.

On another point though, I don’t know how much the new heavens and earth will be like the original. The one we live in now is so twisted and torn that we can’t even imagine what the new will be like, but I don’t think it’s just a resetting to the original. Clearly something has changed–God became man. And this, I think, means that it will be different. I don’t know how, but it will be better than the original.

]]> By: Timotheos http://talkingdonkey.wordpress.com/2007/04/04/the-issue/#comment-3735 Timotheos Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:30:07 +0000 http://talkingdonkey.wordpress.com/2007/04/04/the-issue/#comment-3735 My thinking goes like this: the Law, while it always accuses sinners, does not <em>only</em> accuse sinners. The Law is, in its broadest sense, simply how God has set things up. If that's the case, then restoration of a fallen creation would be restoration to that original plan. It will be a new <em>heavens</em> and a new <em>earth</em>, not something that has no connection to the original creation. The Gospel is only for sinners. Those who are not sick have no need of a physician. Thus, when we cease to carry the sickness (at the eschaton), we will no longer need the cure. We will live fully as God intended us to live. Thanks, Tim My thinking goes like this: the Law, while it always accuses sinners, does not only accuse sinners. The Law is, in its broadest sense, simply how God has set things up. If that’s the case, then restoration of a fallen creation would be restoration to that original plan. It will be a new heavens and a new earth, not something that has no connection to the original creation.

The Gospel is only for sinners. Those who are not sick have no need of a physician. Thus, when we cease to carry the sickness (at the eschaton), we will no longer need the cure. We will live fully as God intended us to live.

Thanks,
Tim

]]> By: kierk01 http://talkingdonkey.wordpress.com/2007/04/04/the-issue/#comment-3734 kierk01 Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:14:38 +0000 http://talkingdonkey.wordpress.com/2007/04/04/the-issue/#comment-3734 "In fact, here’s something to really get your reductionistic Lutheran knickers in a knot: it is the Gospel, not the Law, that will pass away at the eschaton." I'd be interested to hear you say a little more about this. The origins and implications of this assertion, etc. “In fact, here’s something to really get your reductionistic Lutheran knickers in a knot: it is the Gospel, not the Law, that will pass away at the eschaton.”

I’d be interested to hear you say a little more about this. The origins and implications of this assertion, etc.

]]> By: danatnr http://talkingdonkey.wordpress.com/2007/04/04/the-issue/#comment-3731 danatnr Thu, 05 Apr 2007 03:00:15 +0000 http://talkingdonkey.wordpress.com/2007/04/04/the-issue/#comment-3731 I think you cover this quite well, and I agree. We are not free from the rules, just perhaps the ultimate consequence of the Law. :) I think you cover this quite well, and I agree. We are not free from the rules, just perhaps the ultimate consequence of the Law. :)

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